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They trained a model to detect AI-written text.

It works fine on mainstream models where the output hasn't been edited.

It doesn't work on humanizers or custom model output.


I tapped out at the AI-isms in the readme.

Nvidia, I get you're all-in on AI, but please at least find a human to write some copy. It's both overly verbose and entirely lacking of important info at the same time.


Personally I think it's more accurate and useful to compare against competitive models rather than show "X% below the top-of-the-top today"


Why clearly? You mean the tensor pre seed with deterministic pseudo random numbers? I don't have much experience in LLM training, but I do remember from minimization algorithms (like gradient descent) that it's better to start with (pseudo) random starting values and minimize from there. And seeing how I would like my results repeatable, seeding a pseudo random sequence seems logical.

I don't understand why these tensors specifically weren't changed during minimization (training) though. Maybe they were not activated, or a w part of an image decoder or something?


They weren't "changed" from random because it's not trained, it's a fake model with random weights, is what that post is implying.

How the heck did the model figure out the generation recipe? That's impressive in itself.

probably just

consider most naive possible way one would try to deceive users without exorbitant budget -> attempts a few things you naively would do -> recovers it by chance?

if that even is a valid signal though


I'm thinking it's the same model that was used to create the fake, so its "mind" went to the same place probabilistically.

They aren't referring to "everyone" they are referring to "the people in the demoscene" and they are correct.

Based on their comment, presumably justice for their involvement in a genocide. Was that unclear?

A bounty like this is a polite "thanks asshole, fuck off, don't do it again" rate.

Paying effectively nothing for vulnerabilities just means they don't want to deal with the program.

Wild to think a company supposedly worth a $trillion+ is doing shit like this.


Because they shouldn’t be worth that tbh. They are a cash burning operation hoping to get what they can before the music stops.

They have 1 billion active users.

Do those billion users contribute to a profit or loss?

I'd love to know the demographic breakdown there. For instance I know students in some relatively isolated corners of the world are still, ubiquitously, using it to cheat. And a quick search gives around 1.4 billion students globally.

Obviously it's not just students, but the fact it [numerically] could be is rather amusing and makes me surprised that it's only 1 billion active users, since GPT has a lock on name recognition amongst low information users.


> They have 1 billion active users.

I'm naive, but is this possible? The power required per user to run those GPUs seems like enough to run an air conditioner. For a billion people everyday or so seems like enough to overload power plants.


> The power required per user to run those GPUs seems like enough to run an air conditioner.

Not true. Maybe you're thinking of computer games? Inference requires much less energy per user session than a session of your average AAA game title. And there are more active gamers at any time than active ChatGPT users.


You’re comparing 1 billion people doing bleeding edge gaming to LLM usage. Feels a bit like your thumb is on the scale here. Even under lower load GPU’s do in fact use a lot of power, as evidence by the massive power buildouts that we are seeing across multiple countries.

And only about 5% (50M, last time it was reported) of them pay. The vast majority of those are using the free plan.

Yes Silicon Valley gives things away to build a high DAU count before the squeeze we’ve seen it for almost 2 decades now. That tells us nothing of the longterm health of their business.

A company worth trillions does not have trillions, that is the expectation for what it will be worth in the future based on money it has already spent and will need to keep spending.

Moreover, that translates to "it's actually carrying a huge nut* that puts extremely intense pressure on the company to figure out how to make as much money as possible as soon as possible."

(*nut is a slang word from loan sharking that has been adopted by (personal et al) finance people. It means "how much do you owe each month?" in the sense of, if you want to do a startup, advisors could ask, "what's your nut, and how much do you have left to self-invest?" Because monthly expense can be combined to a lump sum, it can also mean the size of the overall loan where the monthly interest is called the vig, "as long youze got da nut, you owe me da vig;" from vigorish, which would also require an etymology, but I'm assuming it's the word vigor combined with licorice meaning bitter tasting medicine, and nut because squirrels busy themselves carrying nuts.)

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and if we can... and remember flame-prone people, if you reject the "can" premise, then the rest of the argument goes away, and you don't need to dispute it, you just say "you can't nuff said"; people here frequently seem challenged by propositions.

so, if we can...loosely describe the attitude you show here toward high market cap companies to be compatible with "left" or "socialist" or "populist" views shared by many others here, then I'll point out that at the same time wanting higher market prices paid for bounties because 'sploits are so expensive, is actually advocating for the same dread capitalist market based solution that leads to trillion dollar companies that never even had a trillion to begin with.


Do you have any reason to believe this?

This fits the NK MO to a T. It does not fit Israeli intelligence activity. Your claim rings hollow without any support.



Certain political topics bring out bots and narrative-pushing. It's very obvious with certain topics.

The value proposition isn't there.

If you reframe the perspective from 'free $500 sitting on a server' to 'requires actively utilizing an unreleased 0 day exploit on a server that will certainly be able to track exactly what was done, for a payout of... $500?'

That's pennies for something like this.

Add two zeros and it might get nabbed.

Edit: others have pointed out it's not really a 0-day anymore, they're right, so it's likely more a matter of time.


So you are therefore arguing for the author's point.

The entire exercise is to counter the claim that AI means every script kiddie with tokens can just have their AI create an exploit, and then have their AI scour the internet for vulnerable endpoints. If that were true, then the exploit has very little value, because everyone could make one.

In addition, the claim is that these exploits will all immediately have a thousand bots using them to exploit every possible website, and you can't leave your website vulnerable for a second or it will immediately be owned.

The fact that that hasn't happened to this server already proves the point. Whether professionals can create an exploit from the vulnerability was never the question.


My favourite actively unreleased 0 day exploits are the ones that are released, 5 days old, and allegedly so trivial to exploit it costs $5 in tokens.

No, I will not spend $5 in tokens to claim your $1000 bounty. My $5 exploit is worth more than $1000. Thank you very much.


I suppose it may not be there for actually taking it, but it does serve as a good demonstration of the realistic risk for average people running relatively low-value PHP sites. If nobody thinks it's worth the risk of exposure for a quick and easy $1k in Bitcoin (at the time I'm writing this), why would anybody bother hacking a site that's basically worthless, like the dinky little Wordpress blog I run?

This does effectively make the statement that, there probably are exploits out there for this, but even with a non-updated version, you're not at much risk unless someone with serious resources thinks they can make pretty big money from compromising your thing.


random sites generally don't log carefully, or watch their logs if they do. so the risk to hacking them is low. this site almost certainly logs very aggressively. so the risk to hacking it is high.

based on differential risk, attackers will choose targets differently. they might reason that the risk/reward on this obvious trap is not worth it. but on joe shmo's php emporium, the reward is less, but so is the risk, and it might pencil out.


So your answer is people could hack this easily but logs scare them?

Well that's good news because my webserver also has logging


> that's good news because my webserver also has logging

In the future, every website will carry a little blurb of text in the footer of their pages intended to scare off would-be hackers and their AI agents:

“The server of this website employs append-only remote logging and state-of-the-art monitoring and intrusion detection. Unauthorized access or attempts there of WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The outcome of such prosecution is and always will be astronomical amounts of money in damages that the guilty party will pay to the victim, alongside decades of prison time for the party guilty of computer crimes. Do not even try.”


Or rather "the software on this server is fully patched and everything is logged. If you hack it, we will sell the 0-day you used before you can".

"First person to get the wallet wins. If you don’t need the money, consider donating it to those who do: givewell.org."

What risk?


That's always the case for a novel exploit. There isn't a lot of value in popping somebody's PHP blog, so people who've invested time and money into a zero-day exploit have little incentive to use it for that purpose.

The white hats want to extend the time before an exploit is in the hands of the masses who might do so just for the fun of it, and the black hats want to use it on high-value targets.


I think the point is that this is completely the opposite of the narrative that was pushed about this bug - that there would be thousands+ of AI agents actively compromising every vulnerable site automatically regardless of value within minutes of the fix being released into the wild. Well, now it's 3 days after, and this has been up for 3.5 hours, and nobody has taken it yet.

You’re upset that it wasn’t exploited as fast as people were concerned it was going to be?

It may not have happened this time, but we are rapidly approaching a future where this will be the case for every exploitable bug.


You would have a point if it was still a 0 day. The patch is out, and open source. Anyone who cares has a bunch of the pieces for putting together their own exploit.

Zero days are valuable and kept in the bank to avoid detection. That ship has sailed.


> The value proposition isn't there.

That's part of the point. $500 or $1000 is a trivial amount. Since the money is still there, there's currently no trivial exploit.

> requires actively utilizing an unreleased 0 day exploit on a server that will certainly be able to track exactly what was done

Depending on the exploit, and the visibility stack on the server, one may or may not be able to determine how the rabbit got in the hat.


I never mentioned unreleased private exploits, I mentioned what every thought leader and popular creative wants us to believe right now.

It’s not a 0day it’s now 5 days and counting since disclosure. Nobody is gaining value sitting on an exploit for a vulnerability which is being actively patched.

This logic doesn't work here, because it relies on the premise that you alone potentially have an unreleased zero-day exploit, which is not the case.

If prompting an AI could exploit this for less than $500 in token spend, then you should immediately do so, since if you don't, in a few minutes' time someone else will.


The whole point was someone could throws some cents and hack the site.

Wallet address is there, you can donate

exactly. the pros are not going to reveal their hand for $1k

Why not? Those pros have their opportunity to use this exploit dwindling by the hour as news of this and pressure to patch grows and grows. All the major managed hosting companies had this patched in the first 24 hours.

That is sort of the point I thought? There’s no low skill exploit for the script kiddies to use even with AI, otherwise they’d happily use it

The pros have RCEs, but won’t burn it for something this small.

It’s a real vulnerability, but a complex one


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