I really love Kitty, it took me only about 5 minutes to migrate from Ghostty. just wish the used this icon as default: https://github.com/DinkDonk/kitty-icon

I'm curious, why did you move if there is also now the new Ghost TTI with 0.4? What do you benefit from this?

Not OP either but I moved back to kitty after giving ghostty a try. Kitty is pretty mature and it has tons of features. I don't use them all by any means, but enough that I missed them. It has all those features yet it feels so barebones: kitty is a delight.

What features?

I just wanna say, it's okay to prefer different terminals, like there were so many back in the day. people's dev flows become hyper specific, depending on what tools, editors, features they need... I used to use `st` back in the day, but also `urxvt` and the classic `xterm`, or `guake` for adventurous. One of my absolute favs is https://github.com/uobikiemukot/yaft which was fun to rock on classic Thinkpad T62p laptops without any X11.

It is fine, it is also fine to inquire which exact features they are looking for.

maybe compare both documentation and make urself an idea? it's all there for the taking

Also not OP but Ghostty to my knowledge doesn't support predefined layouts, so that was my reason. I tried zellij, which is awesome, but Kitty turned out to be much easier to set up and ultimately use.

Nothing against Ghostty, and in particular I really like the idea of libghostty, but a pretty significant part of its release notes is about how it's becoming more compatible with Kitty.

If you don't care about native UI widgets (I and many others only use the terminal part of the UI, so I don't) I don't really see a reason to use Ghostty over Kitty.

+1 I switched the other way because kitty gnome integration is lacking. But I like both terminals more than gnome-terminal and ptyxis.

Not OP, but I've moved back to kitty because of ghostty horrendous startup time on linux

That's a one time cost though isn't it? It's a tradeoff, but once it is booted it's blazing though.

When I use the terminal, I spawn and kill a lot of instances for quick tasks. Having a longer startup times is definitely noticeable.

My login session starts a background ghostty instance, then each new window is almost instant when I press my i3 shortcut.

This process is documented with systemd, but it's not a requirement, a plain xsessionrc could work similarly: https://ghostty.org/docs/linux/systemd

> I spawn and kill a lot of instances for quick tasks.

Why? Do you open a new browser window when you want to visit a website?

I do whenever I want two websites displayed next to each other or when I want to have them in separate workspaces, which is pretty often.

Yes actually. Ctrl+Alt+b opens a new browser window quickly and I go somewhere. I have it faster in muscle memory than switching to browser and ctrl+t and then opening whatever.

Same with terminal. My terminals (xfce4-terminal or kitty -1) both open so instantly that I can ctrl+alt+t and even while typing at high speeds, the next character is entered into the terminal.

I can type the below sequence of keys at high speed (realistic example that OCRs clipboard image):

  ctrl+alt+t vpng | ocr | ctxt alt+tab

without risking the startup time swallowing my `vp` keys

And yes, I disable animations for any kind of window switching mechanism including alt-tab/worksapce switch

At any rate, I believe ghostty has the same single instance mode equivalent.

In case you're not aware, there exists:

    ghostty +new-window

tmux?

I figured that was an issue with the appimage for me. Did you install it a different way that you ran into that issue?

also slow startup times, archlinux, official repo package

I'd say 100-200 ms is not horrendous but it can be much better without giving up on libghostty-vt :) check out Monstar.

Now, Monstar has a bizarre issue (at least in my setup) where it displays blank instead of capital A when used with Fixedsys Excelsior, for some reason. But hey it starts in under 10ms.

edit:typo

I’m probably going to move away from Ghostty because it crashes too much on Linux

When reading your comment I thought "how silly". Then I looked at my kitty icon and yup, this is the one I'm using. Heh.

I use this icon too! Only thing I customize after installing kitty.

Wow, now I'm considering migrating too.

Considering the multiple rounds of layoffs they have gone through, can't imagine how former employees must feel seeing how they decide to commit for $3M, which in imho has a more than questionable ROI.

I definitely wanted to skip Tahoe by any means and was reluctant about this new version. I recently installed it because the wm I was using (omniwm) wasn't compatible with Tahoe anymore so I had to choose. I have to say it has been completely usable to me after reducing the liquid glass thing as much as the system allows.

At least in the UK, that's exactly what they're doing right now. They're allowing pre-orders, with shipping on Sept 22.

There are some options, though, that you can’t even pre-order until October.

Which options? I’ve tried a few different configurations, including one with 64gb of ram, and all of them appear eligible for preorder.

Just giant ram. Because Ram.

I remember prior de AI era, it was a common pattern to for some delay in the answers to make it feel more "human"

mind elaborate?

I recently watched a video game journalist speaking about this(chicocartera from Eurogamer): apparently this raise happened in 2023. There was an official transcription from an investors meeting at that time where this was covered. It seems there are some subtleties in the translation which could lead to think it happened recently.

2023 was 3 years ago, so if raises were 3% under inflation they are due for another 10% increase again.

I would expect raises were more like 1-2% under inflation and so they won't be due for a couple more years.

According to their website, yes it will be opensourced soon

Obviously don't know what percentage represents "legit" use cases vs other more morally questionable, but in our case we have a cms where content team can include external links and we need to verify periodically whether those links work or not, which is not as easy as making get requests with a client.

I am right handed but left handed for some very specific things such as playing pool or hockey

It happens. I can play hockey with either hand as dominant. Too bad that wasn't really a useful talent like being a switch hitter in baseball. I'm generally left handed, but play musical instruments almost exclusively right handed. I had a friend teach me drums. He was right handed and didn't even think to ask me about my handedness, or didn't want to move stuff around (lefties have to adapt to a right handed world...). It didn't feel awkward though. I don't know why I play guitar right handed. The prevailing theory in my family is that I "learned" by mirroring Kurt Cobain on the TV screen...

Same but i feel many sports are weird in that i’ve never been convinced that there’s a particularly natural right or left handedness to them.

Eg. For pool does the more dextrous hand need to push the cue or does it line up and guide the front of the cue? I can see tradeoffs each way and the front hand is certainly not just limp when playing.

Hockey is similar. The top or the bottom hand being the more dextrous probably has tradeoffs but I don’t see either grip as being more or less natural for handedness. I don’t play hockey but play golf and cricket which have similar grips and am similar there to you too.

Golf and baseball batting have obvious handedness - the muscles that pull your towards your centerline and then across your body and significantly stronger than the ones that push your arm back out away from your body, and the right-handed stance in these two sports uses the stronger muscles in the right arm.

My dad was a lefty and played golf right-handed. It's a common enough thing.

In golf, strength is overrated until you get to the pros.

phil mickelson, easily the most famous left handed golfer, is right-handed but plays lefty because he would stand across from his dad and mirror his swing as a kid

Re: pool, definitely the one pushing needs to be the dominant hand.

It has the most degrees of freedom, and more motion. The one in front has a whole table for stability.

But that's just like my opinion, man.

fun fact: vs the US, golf stores in Canada carry more left-handed clubs because a right handed hockey player has their right hand higher on the stick which is the same orientation as the grip for left-handed golfers.

Same which makes me very poor at sports. I write right-handed. For anything sports related (riding a board, throwing a ball, golf, batting, bowling, etc) I'm leftie. My dad is left-handed, mother is right-handed. I have wondered if I should've been a left-handed writer and was corrected either explicitly or just by the environment to write right-handed.

Same! I am specifically left handed for pool and cannot figure out how to play it right handed - absolutely zero coordination.

Interestingly, playing left-handed in "field" hockey is actually illegal for safety reasons and left-handed sticks don't exist.