That’s making quite a mental leap. What’s wrong is changing the rules halfway during a voting day, specially in one of the largest countries in the world with uneven logistics.

Polls were closed in some places, voting boxes sealed, and had to be reopened.

While not necessarily bad, it can create fraud suspicions. Just arrange a longer voting time from the get go. Else it looks you are stalling and boosting turnout out for your side.

PS it’s quite common in some countries to put people on buses and make them vote in exchange of money.

They learnt well from the US.

I am a Gen X. My grandmother, who was born in 1906 and passed on in 1994, worked at home, cooked, cleaned for most of her life. He had 3-4 dresses in her closet, and whenever I visited she gave some money to go buy a small bottle of Sprite for lunch.

My parents define their retirement as cruises, traveling, etc. My mother has 3 closets full of clothes, the latest iPhone and iPad to check Facebook…

Both generations worked very hard, and I don’t want to criticize them. I keep telling my father and mother that they should burn and enjoy all their money while they can.

My point is not to criticize a generation, but to try to contextualize that a comfortable wealthy retirement is relatively new in our social concept, and so far it seems more as a one-off trick that only baby boomers pulled after the huge economic growth post 70s, than a sustainable economic pattern.

Disgusting. A drop in a bucket, quickly recovered via tax breaks, government spending, etc.

Meta employees should be accountable for this. And stock buyers too.

You could choose to work elsewhere. You could choose to invest in something else.

Many here are shocked when a company does not observe GNU licensing, but are OK working, using or investing in such an evil organization.

>> If you are still working there, you are complicit in acting in a company that is actively seeking to control a populous.

+1.

I see your point and share it up to a point… but how does it square with the full western economies gambling all or nothing on AI?

Paying for stuff is not part of their modus operandi.

Maybe it’s a process. Many of the transitions you mentioned did bring shitty apps (not all of them, the ones replacing tech for tech were mostly ok, the ones democratizing dev did come with a quality drop), but eventually Darwinism will take effect and trim the long tail.

Coding per se is not hard. Proper engineering is. I do hope this change brings a change in focus (people train in algorithms, efficiency, solid development patterns) but I am afraid it won’t be the case.

The risk is people who incidentally get into software engineering through using agents probably won’t be aware of any of that. And probably wouldn’t care even if they did. And for most software they’ll create, single user, perhaps even single use, it’ll be fine.

And for those who might care about these things, they’ll probably just be facing constant pressure to deliver more, faster, perhaps with less.

One of the issue about literacy in algorithms, data modeling, efficiency, development patterns, systems designs… is that people either aren’t aware of them (and in the best case scenario reinvent the wheel), don’t care about them, or feel they aren’t given the time to invest in learning them (or worse, might be penalized for it).

I feel like it will be like going back to the 80s, when PCs became a norm and most programmers and hobbyists could code without the need of a University or a Corporation. Thousands of shareware apps you had to navigate, everyone trying to solve the same problems from different angles..

I do agree quality will be missed, and shadow IT will be again a big issue like at the end of the 80s and early 90s.

> most programmers and hobbyists could code without the need of a University or a Corporation.

I don't think so. Back then, the pool of people doing such a thing basically self-selected for intelligent, motivated types who were capable of learning on their own. The new "programmers" "programming" via Claude Code are going to be very different from those hobbyists you're talking about.

This is a comically self-absorbed perspective.

Why are people making things with Claude Code if not because they’re motivated?

Because back then you had to care about the differences of e.g. 16bit vs 32bit datatypes & instructions, hardware limitations are not known to modern grown-up dev people - they think hardware is unlimited. Earlier you really had do understand what you were doing, today cou can get along with a prompt - which works great, until it doesnt. Not to blame any vibecode hobbyist here, though real application development usually required some degree of deeper understanding back then.

I think the point is that you had to be deeply curious and more of a "hacker" or "computer nerd" type to be able to figure things out.

But I think the same applies to not just AI but various tools that have abstracted away the complexity of things over the years.

For example, I would imagine the average person deploying some sort of web app or API today knows far less about networking and infrastructure than someone doing it 10 to 20 years ago.

Yes, exactly. I'm reminded of the articles detailing how Gen Z has fewer computer skills than previous generations because computing has become so abstracted -- turn on iPhone, tap button. "What's a directory?" -- files just kind of exist on these devices without any real notion of _where_, as far as the user knows. Stuff like that.

Compare that to say 30ish years ago. If you wanted to do something as simple as play a computer game you had to know how to navigate a command line, know about device drivers, make a boot disk, etc. Users were a whole lot closer to the realities of what makes computing work. And no internet, at least as we know it now. You really had to have a certain mindset to be a developer.

It's a far cry from "hey Claude make an app."

Knowing that genuine, disincentivized creativity is exceedingly rare (especially in the West), you can assume that the answer looks something like a carrot or a stick.

Because it's "easy"?

Because it's "easy" (until they hit a wall)

Once they hit a wall, that is where you find out whether they are motivated or not

> Once they hit a wall, that is where you find out whether they are motivated or not

Yep. That has to happen first.

Coding on 8 and 16 bit home computers still required some skills that most vibe coders certainly lack.

I imagine a much darker future when it’s almost every enterprise system known for stability is now unstable.

Planes falling out of the sky, trains crashing into each other, pacemakers downloading updates and freezing

yeah i don’t think this is crazy tbh

didn’t we see this with crowdstrike