if you want it done right, you often have to do it yourself

> although the details seem to suggest that it's given a lot more freedom to run forward passes and do limited experiments

No tools or forward passes are allowed

Under experiment 8 (the one where it fixes performance on GSM8K) it says:

>Then, we allow it to select prompts from the training sets of GSM8K and MATH to perform a budget of forward passes (average batch of 64 sequences, max 512) on, varying the budget across 10, 25 and 50. Again, no training or gradient information is allowed.

Steve had been an outspoken critic of touchscreen laptops. It seems that none of his original gripes are addressed in this release. Another drop in the bucket of half-assed hardware releases from apple "our competitors have it so we need it too" (vision pro, new homepod thing, iphone duo, etc)

I also assumed Apple had something up their sleeves that would make sense to everyone once shown.

Meanwhile they just added a touchscreen. No new hinge. No new UI. Not even a Pen support.

WTF are they doing?

Similar feelings about the Duo. Very little innovation beyond what is offered by Androids. In fact, I feel like there are many foldable Android phones that offer better hardware (Motorola Razr Fold comes to mind). I say this as someone who is a huge Apple Fanboy and got a Duo on release day.

Various android phones have had better specs and more innovative hardware than Apple for like 15 years. It took them years to finally turn around to big screens, but following Android on that didn't hurt Apple in the long run.

Same position: I still very much appreciate this but seriously feel something is being lost here and the brand is slowly chipping away.

Apparently the hinge is different - it results in less wobble when interacting via touch.

> WTF are they doing?

Presumably adding a feature that doesn't cost them very much or otherwise negatively affect the product, but which some users might like.

But there's a cost involved if you go against one of your most defended stances and offer nothing to back up that change of heart.

It's a negative on the brand because that sort of consistency is something that made Apple.

What percentage of Apple's customers remember Steve Jobs saying that thing in 2011? I think most of them are here in this thread.

And there was an answer given by John Ternus:

"The Mac is first and foremost an indirect input device, built around the trackpad and keyboard. But I think there's times when it's comfortable and handy to have touch.

We needed to get to a point where adding touch didn't make the product lesser in any way. It didn't make it heavier. It didn't make it thicker. That came together with the OLED screen, the best display we've ever put into a Mac. All of these things, and, oh yeah, it has touch as well."

That basically cuts to the core of it, it has touch because the Tandem OLEDs they can source, already have the touch built in. It's not really any more complex than that.

Things aren't decided by customers only. There are journalists, YouTubers and whole class of influencers who can decided something is shite on a whim. If enough people do so, the tide may change faster then you'd think. It happened to companies with cult following before. It's literally happening to Nike as we speak.

Apple has had more flops than hits in recent years. The Vision Pro, the Glass interface, the Duo hinge flaw that will almost certainly end up with a recall. The Apple Watch always listening, now the bangle touch display with nothing innovative to back it up?

They don't deliver like they used to. I was their fanboy for 10 years and they did deliver the quality and innovation consistently, I just don't see it anymore. The only thing they have going is the CPU.

True, they should have never made an iPhone with a screen more than 4”, never released the iPad mini, and never shipped a stylus for the iPad because those are all things Steve said were bad.

Did you notice how it's you who's reducing it to "What Jobs said" strawman to avoid addressing the actual arguments?

As far as I can tell your only argument against adding a touchscreen is that Apple has previously taken the stance that they would not do it, so that I what I was responding to.

But of course yes, Apple has vaguely and generally declined and their products are flops. Unlike the good old days of the first versions of Mac OSX, the G4 Cube, the iPod HiFi, the flaking-paint Titanium Powerbook, the bendy iPhone 6, or of course Ping, the revolutionary music social network.

I think this is a shift for apple, they're not one to include 'gimmicks'

I think it's interesting that people are assigning the term 'gimmick' to the touchscreen, which does have some functional uses, but not to the glowing Apple logo.

In openAI's case, I would say they sort of have, in the form of sora, ChatGPT Atlas, and coming hardware devices (with the OpenAI name for ownership / ego reasons for sama.) However this turned out to be bad for the company, moving away from core research, which until recently AI hasn't been able to accelerate greatly. so the marginal cost tradeoff (including things like valuation of OpenAI) probably favors focusing efforts purely on providing intelligence.

However openAI is a unique case and I think other companies (and people) will be pumping out more autonomous companies very, very soon, in industries where economics are different.

Next; IOS will be decompiled and open source

I hope that continued advancements in AI make it impossible for outfits like Apple to maintain closed systems that lock the device owner out of having any control over their own hardware. We're obviously not there yet -- I'm sure 1000 things won't work on a device with this running, but it's going to be a game of cat and mouse, and mouse is moving a lot faster than cat can now.

> I hope that continued advancements in AI make it impossible for outfits like Apple to maintain closed systems that lock the device owner out of having any control over their own hardware.

Formally verified bootloaders and Secure Boot will make this all but impossible without hardware mods that do voltage glitching. It took 8 years for the checkm8 and usbliter8 exploits to be found, and I think that especially Apple has invested so much money, time and resources into securing their boot chain that the "best" thing we can hope for is a tethered jailbreak allowing a boot into another kernel.

It's only a matter of finding exploitative bugs, this already happened before in Apple devices precisely.

Bugs yes, sure, there will always be bugs. But it already is really, really difficult to get non-privileged code execution access, even harder to achieve tethered root access (i.e. root access that holds until a reboot), and all but impossible to get untethered root access that survives reboots.

one click exploit is fun when you trying to jailbreak your phone; it is a nightmare when a random website do that

I have my reservations. The cats can also use AI to make their software less buggy or even formally verified.

If I had to venture a guess it would be that this is the last stand for hackers that are able to root all kinds of older devices, but companies like Apple will shell out the money to prevent this for their next-gen devices.

It's likely that low-cost device makers will not do that, so maybe rooting will still persist for cheap stuff.

Decompiled and easily available if you know where to look? Sure. Seems likely.

But "Open Source" is a description of the licensing terms, and it ain't gonna be that. Apple will sue hosters into oblivion. It will only be available on pirate sites.

You can use debugger all you want, legally, then write the spec, then reimplement. You just can't look at the code.

We already have nearly a dozen of Adobe and Autodesk knock off apps.

Yes. Those are clones or clonish. Not originals. So saying "Autodesk is opensource" isn't correct.

A clone of autodesk may be open source however.

It's going to be great, between this and the Adobe totally-not-using-any-decompiled-code-wink clones: people are going to get sued into the ground and LLM code is going to become radioactive to corporate lawyers. Especially when they find out that they also routinely spit out GPL code verbatim.

It's going to be hilarious.

Why waste the time? Just download Darwin take a license out on arm, like those three Apple engineers get to work.

amazing, but who is OO SEX GANG

my guess is a lot of Java people who refuse to get on the functional train

not sure why this is being compared to 2-generations old versions of qwen

> Anthropic uses Claude to write software far more than almost any other company

Who's beating Anthropic here lol

I can't put my finger on why exactly, but HomeView, iphone duo, and vision pro all seem like areas where apple could've innovated further, but didn't, and end up looking the same as existing hardware with apple software being the differentiator. Maybe other companies just started making hardware the way apple does, who knows. but these products feel very bland.