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cool. i like what you've done here with a virtual panel that can answer questions ... i have similar ideas for kabuki syndrome (currently: https://www.thekabukipapers.org). talk? marstall at gmail.


> i like what you've done here with a virtual panel that can answer questions

Thats the main thing. I think that Ai-native governance by domain experts is how AI reaches its full potential. Not in theory but in terms of the value it delivers to populations via outcomes.

AI-native Governance is like irrigation for the outcomes populations want to achieve, starts with intents; executed on by programs that use protocols as guardrails. This is a gross oversimplification of the process but based what i see from your work you will get the abstract.

Examples -

dietmanager.com - RDN governance

crohns.ai - AGA (MD/GI) governance

<city>.us.codify.city - City council Governance

  https://san-francisco.ca.us.codify.city/

  https://new-york.ny.us.codify.city/

  http://chicago.il.us.codify.city/
Even applies to YC: https://openyc.org

Each codify.* is a PDA [Public Domain Agent] - that gets delegated intents per request and has to manage its own "deal" - its also managed democratically via ontology and downline policies set by the experts in said field and has feedback loop to verify/optimize policy outcomes.

This concept applies to everything IMO, and I cannot say I fully understand it but im absolutely obsessed with the exploration of the idea; again - in practice not theory. I have real outcomes in healthcare, education and housing.


I just fixed Crohn's AI council, it's now all members of the AGA but i'm having serious issues keeping it all up.

The jobs to harvest the corpus needed to create each agent is not scaling well.

Note: crohns.ai: 3,948 gastroenterologists, dietmanager.com: 1,752 RDNs


how do you define the specialists? a prompt? what do you mean by using protocols as guardrails? Also, can you give me a TLDR on how these voice interfaces work? What kinds of problems are you solving, and how, in an ELI5 way. I might be a lot dumber than you give me credit for!


i've been using Cascade (a third party harness) since the 3 week period in 2023 when it was hot. I think it's called something else now. Devin? Things got confusing there for a second and I stopped paying attention.

Anyway very happy with it, I use it as a plugin to RubyMine and Webstorm.

One of the primary advantages is being able to choose your model - and it often has free deals for newer models that are running promotions. Whenever I switch to Claude Code it seems clunky. Would rather use Claude with Cascade.


is it just for coding? the docs don't mention code, just "agents"


"force phone providers to collect identity information from ordinary people before they can acquire or renew service with a phone carrier."

don't see the harm in this? isn't this already the case for 99.9% of phoneline havers already?


You don’t see the harm in requiring telcos - famous for handing over data without warrants or court orders - being forced to have identifying data for every subscriber?

I can think of a half dozen ways that can get abused. Remember that in the states policing is decentralized. There is always some department somewhere willing to abuse their power. Look at how flock has been used to stalk partners, or how geofencing was used to sweep up everyone in the area of a protest, or how stingray is used to listen to all calls in an area. This is opening up avenues of abuse for almost no benefit.


> famous for handing over data without warrants or court orders

More concretely, famous for supplying bulk data to the surveillance industry for a nominal fee. That is ostensibly the goals behind this development - all of these companies demanding phone numbers for "verification" and snake oil "2FA" want to reliably dox 100% of their users rather than just 80%.


Realistically, it is for 99.9% of people who have phones. The 0.1% have to go out of their way to buy, with cash or crypto, prepaid SIM top-ups on flip phones, and by doing so they stand out like a sore thumb.

Back in the days of rotary phones, not only did the phone providers have your name, they even listed it, your home address, and your phone number in the white pages of the phone book, and everyone in town had a copy of it. Before the rise of microcomputers which enabled data tracking and robocalls, which in turn gave rise to demand for privacy from spam, having that information out in public wasn't a problem except for edge cases like domestic abuse victims or people in a witness protection program. The 99.9%, though, are still getting tracked no matter what, and I sometimes wonder if we've sacrificed the convenience and confidence of the phone-book age for an illusion of privacy that relies on anxiety.


I grew up in the phone book age. We had one phone with a really long cable, but it wasn't long enough to take it with me everywhere I went. And, as you point out, nobody had robots to call it, either.


Almost no one has physical phone lines anymore. It also used to be a given because they had to send a physical paper bill to someone, and hence needed an address.

Neither of these are true anymore.

Also, the tone is set from the top.

Do you think the current admin cares about actually tackling fraud and abuse?


The big ones already force you to give SSN for service. Then they lose it in a data breach.


The crazy thing is that a simple 9-digit number (that you must give away for many things) can ruin your life if it gets public.

The US seems so backwards at times.


at times? we can't even decide if women are allowed to control their own bodies. we're now open to states stopping people with dark skin from voting, and we have giant internment camps where we keep innocent men, women, children because they have a spanish accent. vaccines are apparently not a worldwide health miracle, education is overrated, we're bringing back jobs in coal and oil, and invading/destabilizing latin american countries is back in vogue. in two years we might be so backwards that women's suffrage becomes questionable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_the_...).


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you weren't aware of the recent revocation of laws that prevent southern states from gerrymandering black communities out of a vote, in addition to voter ID laws?

there are many, many public reports of ICE detaining individuals merely for having a spanish accent. they've detained US citizens multiple times, even deported some, because they were hispanic.

I highly recommend reading the news...


Please don't spew hyperbolic slop in the service of ideological warfare. Thats not what HN is for.


I'm the creator of a newsletter using AI to make the science behind a rare disease, Kabuki Syndrome, more accessible.

In this blog post I walk through the steps I took to translate scientific papers into sparkling prose that maintains tight links between generated sentences and the passages they're based on, and touch on some of the broader issues related to what an editor is in a publication that is AI-generated, and why I think rare disease reporting is a uniquely appropriate and ethical use of AI!


yes it all comes back to iteration, the original "vibe coding". for me, programming has always been about making it up as i go along. like an artist starts with one stroke, i started when i was 10 years old typing '10 print "hello, world" 20 goto 10' and i've never really stopped programming that way 47 years later. For me programming is the same as refactoring, they both happen in a continuous Zone throughout the day. The idea of spending this big period at the beginning Defining the Architecture then letting AI fill in the blanks makes no sense because I only know what the architecture is, what the product is, as part of a process of typing all day for days and weeks and months, that never ends.


i've actually been wanting something like this.

issue seems to be there is way off the site? top story about thinking machines has no way to click through to original link AFAICS


I've been reading "Elusive Cures" by Nicole Rust, about the failure of neuroscience to cure major ailments like schizophrenia and alzheimers, despite decades of work modeling neurons and other brain systems (costing far in excess of $500M).

Here are some thoughts that that book sparks ...

"the whole is other than the sum of its parts" - someone, based on Aristotle. The way Nicole Rust puts is that the whole->part relationship is one way. In other words, you can determine the parts from the whole, but not the whole from the parts. A cell is a complex dynamic system with many overlapping and interacting feedback effects and diverse homeostatic drives. Its state emerges into its own entity that, once formed, bears only a tenuous relationship to its parts.

Understanding of our bodies and minds may be more tractable at more common levels, levels where the life system is at (whole), not where it was (parts) is where I think she's going: language, art, kinship, etc. But I'm not done yet.


How is this different than "more" than the sum? Is the argument/claim that we can't figure out stuff via composition? If so, why not?


Philip Ball helped me understand this in his book "How Life Works." He makes the point that you can't understand language by understanding letters. Walking up to someone and just saying "L" won't have any effect. And given just an understanding of the alphabet, you would never be able to use that on its own to understand a whole book, you have to move up. The whole has its own kind of existence. I think about how hard it is for one individual to influence a culture. You kind of have to speak and operate at the highest level to change things. I know that's super vague but those are just the terms I've been thinking about it in.


here are some iphone apps i use often:

- Spotify

- Le Monde (french news)

- Maps

- Find My

- Amazon

Anyone have a take on how these (maybe not precisely) could be "replaced by an AI agent"?


Automatically generated AI music slop!

LLM hallucinated news (in French) slop!

There's two down, now someone give me a billion dollars in start-up funding please so I can tackle the others.


mostly the same, i use it for music, talking family/friends, news, photos, map, ordering food, etc


I think shopping can be done via chat.

For the rest, they can still exist as apps inside this OpenAI smart phone but the OS layer will "see" everything and be able to ingest everything you do into a context. Next time you want to do something or ask for something, the AI knows a lot more about you.

Being just another app on iOS, it's impossible for OpenAI to do the above.


> the OS layer will "see" everything and be able to ingest everything you do into a context

that makes sense, i could see it being useful. though it would be a feature easily replicated by Apple or Android if it got some traction.

Maybe this idea of apps being "replaced by agents" is less literal than I'm thinking.

Like with music, maybe it could be an agent that in general helps me be a cooler, more informed music listener by constantly thinking about new ways of accessing myriad sources of info about what's cool, or what I would think would be cool.


  that makes sense, i could see it being useful. though it would be a feature easily replicated by Apple or Android if it got some traction.
There is no doubt in my mind that Apple and Google are going this way. They may have a huge advantage over OpenAI. But OpenAI can't breakthrough without making their own phone so they have to try.


but that's just like copilot not ai "replacing" apps like the title claims


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