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Word and word-like editors are all too complex. Personally I would love some libre quip-like or markdown based renderer with better image and table support

How is this not monopolistic behavior?

Yeah, I read this and immediately thought “tying arrangement.” But they’re not CHARGING separately for search and AI, so I doubt a tying theory would hold up in court.

Their search engine is now integrated with Ai. So either google would need to block the search engine or the school if they don't want Ai. Take your pick.

That's the same argument Microsoft made with Internet Explorer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....


A lot of these schools use tablets though. The kids probably use their phones so more likely to be google. Higher grades though use laptops I think so more likely Microsoft then. So far internet explorer is not integrated with Ai but microsoft copilot though is 100% ai and can be used for search.

I'm not talking about Copilot, I'm talking about IE6 back in the 90s, where Microsoft took the "oh woe is us it'll be so hard to undo the deep unnecessary integration we built for this very purpose" tactic.

I agree with that view point.. yup

Billy Gates swore on a bible that Internet Explorer could not be removed and lied his ass off.

Profited very handsomely from his lies.


That happened before some of the readers of this thread were born. A summary for those people, from the fog of distant memories: MS had an Internet Explorer that was not integrated in Windows, it was like any other browser. Then they decided to build it inside Windows. I remember that the Windows desktop got web views like widgets (web view as a name probably did not exist yet) and they called it Active Desktop. I think that it as COM/OLE objects too and the web view was probably one of them. File Explorer itself got an Internet Explorer like skin, probably with single click to navigate directories and open files, as if they were links. Then they claimed that it was impossible to disentangle IE from Windows. That eventually paved the way to the ruling against MS.

When I hear a giant company say that modifying some of its software is impossible I always think about that IE and laugh.


And what was the end result there?

Microsoft was successfully forced to unbundle IE?

Not really? In the US it kept being bundled by default, they just made it possible to disable the front end; the MSHTML rendering engine was unremovable.

It doesn't even exist any more, and they were required to open up APIs to third-party browser makers. We'd be worse off without the settlement.

They just renamed it to Edge when they rebooted the UI. It's still a bundled browser, indeed the bundling is more aggressive than ever.

Edge is Chromium. Their competitor's engine.

It is now, but it initially did use Trident. I was on the IE team when Edge launched.

Does "Microsoft now bundles Google's browser engine" really scream "won the browser wars" to you?

Do you not think the settlement requiring APIs be opened up helped enable Chrome at all?


No, because the post-settlement era was actually the era of consolidated IE dominance. Chrome only started because MS, in their (unbroken by the FTC) dominance had sat around doing nothing for the web, which was bad for a web-based company like Google. Chrome also avoided using platform APIs because they wanted to be cross-platform.

Their search engine will omit "AI" summaries if you add &udm=14 to the query URL.

I added a custom search engine entry to firefox that does this, made it the default, and haven't seen an AI summary from Google since I did that.


That filter does much more, it removes all the "first party" results, AI or otherwise. You are better off with adding "-ai" to the query.

Even then, -ai doesn't always follow directions.

Google has a severe problem with consent.


Obviously they have at least a back-end search service that isn't tangled up with an LLM. When Gemini says "Searching the web..." it isn't chatbots all the way down. Google just needs to make a human UI for the same search Gemini uses.

It depends if you ask it a question or simply specify an object I think.

It’s not integrated, they are lying

Yeah sure "integrated".

Hiding one div is 90% of the solution.


Bloat. I like Pi much better with it's minimalism


As someone who rolled and daily drives a harness leaner than Pi, there’s still a use case for both.

Similarly to “one language is best,” saying “one harness is best” is shortsighted in the best possible case.

That being said, Claude Code is bloatware.


> Similarly to “one language is best,” saying “one harness is best” is shortsighted in the best possible case

You are arguing against something that was not said?


s/saying/implying/


It’s not really doing that either.


I just find indented paragraphs of proportional font on white background so much easier to read:(


Can pi be used with Claude on an enterprise sub?


There is no such thing as enteprise sub. You get API pricing, you can use whatever tool that uses http/https.


Great thank you


Doesn't an enterprise account already use API rates? If that's the case, there's no difference. You'll end up paying less because Pi will typically use less tokens for the same texture of requests.


Ohh but there is and there always be struggle. Don't worry about it


I use a Mac at work and a pc w/vanilla KDE at home. And... I don't feel anything is less good with KDE? If anything I prefer that over modern Mac


How is this different than bwrap or srt and others? Im using bwrap to achieve read only everywhere and and write on pwd. Also pi and other coding agents all have sandboxing that work in similar way


read-only everywhere and write only to the current directory is good if you want to prevent accidental damage, such as a coding agent could make if it hallucinated an invalid command, like `rm -rf ~`.

If you want to prevent a damage from a malicious dependency or a prompt injection, you need more robust protection (for example read-only everywhere exposes your ssh keys). You can build this on top of bwrap, but because it is a low level sandbox building block, you would likely end up creating some higher level abstraction on top of bwrap (for example srt and Flatpak are build on top of bwrap).

Drop is an attempt to create such a generic, high level sandboxing tool. I personally prefer to run agents already within a sandbox than to rely on a coding agent runtime to sandbox itself. Especially that by doing so, I can use the same sandboxing tool and config for installing other programs that need isolation, not just for running agents.


If there are no summaries then when context is full messages need to get evicted. If doing so one by one then it would indeed destroy the cache. Of course... maybe the implementation evicted 50% of messages at once, I didnt verify in code


In Jev you pass options in the input and its output just gives some probability for each. Oai structured output just follows a schema. The exact output is still generated and there is no probability


you can ask structured output for probabilities...not that they necessarily mean anything.


In theory Jev “calibrates” the probabilities, meaning a probability of 20% is optimized to happen near 20% of the time, which as you point out traditional models with schemas do NOT optimize for at all


this is for local apps


how do you decide to start a new agent, and when to kill? also... do you use some works-tealing style task board, or otherwise how would the agents get new tasks.


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