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Oh joy.

Most people own a car for 3 years or less... who cares about 15 years from now?


That doesn't seem true. I'm seeing 6 to 8 years, with the average car age being 12 years old. Resale value is important.

You're not factoring in leases.

Resale value is critical for leases. If nobody wants to buy the car after the lease is over then the lease company needs to scrap the car. Lease companies pay close attention to expected resale value because they are betting a lot of money on it.

Cars are often sold. If everyone knows that nobody will buy it in 15 years, the person buying it in 12 years will pay less, which means the person buying in 9 years pays less, etc, so the person buying new doesn't recoup as much and has less to spend on a replacement.

No reason a car can't still be on the road 100 years after manufacture

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAh8HryVaeY&pp=ygUOVHJpZ2dlciB...

At what point is it no longer the same car if you’ve replaced all the parts ;)


> Most people own a car for 3 years or less

This seems absurd on the face of it.


What, you don't burn your car and drive it off a cliff on its three-year anniversary?

Every 3 years since 2015 and my corolla just keeps running ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

we live in different worlds.. I have only bought 10 year old wagons and kept them for at least 10 years

I never bought a car newer than 15 years

More like 5-10

You are living in a bubble

They're going to use a device anyways because mom or dad are going to want to avoid parenting. Might as well give them something designed for them.

That's no reason to design devices that enable this parent behaviour. We should move in the other direction. Shaming parents who overly rely on giving kids devices for adults can be somewhat effective.

I know there's no hard leverage.


So.. stop producing smartphones / tablets? TVs? What's your other option?

Stop marketing to them to kids or normalizing kids using them?

This is really not that hard. Modern app culture is highly addictive and provably poison for our brains over time. Adults can choose poison if they wish but when they give it to their kids it is called child abuse.


I'm not saying go to zero. But definitely not over 3 hours and definitely not a dedicated device for them.

> Shaming parents who overly rely on giving kids devices for adults can be somewhat effective.

I'd like to hear more about the results you've gotten with this approach. How do you approach is this with your kids?


I don't have data, I don't run a study. Are you saying that shame is an ineffective mechanism of social cohesion?

With my kids, I oversee everything they do (they are under 6). They average 15min daily for two episodes of a kids show.

I'm not saying go to zero. But definitely not over 3 hours and definitely not a dedicated device for them.


Oh, I was just trying to figure out how you were using shame to get other parents to change their behavior, since that's what you said worked. Wasn't looking for a study.

Oh, the usual: make sure they overhear "my kids would NEVER", look at them with a signature look of superiority, smh literally...

The idea is to send a signal that this is not ok. I have no guarantees on effectiveness. What especially gets me going is when the kid eats and looks at some trash like baby shark while it's blasting loud everywhere.


> How do you approach is this with your kids?

Regarding my kids: high priority, wide/curated choice (not in terms of restriction, but in terms of actively finding things they may like), accompanied learning, and, crucially, starting from a very young age. It's pretty much standard parenting, that is, one gets out what one puts in.

By the time children start to pressure for this type of devices (say, 10/12), they will have learned to enjoy books and more creative activities.


I am in the same boat as you, my kids have never had screens. However I do wonder that if by not teaching them to use tech sparingly at a young age, will they just fall down that hole at an older age when they are young adults?

Mobile devices and social media does not get less addictive as you get older, otherwise anybody over about 30 right now would never have any issues with it. Therefore I worry its entirely possible to bring your children up completely avoiding the downfalls of screentime, but then set them up to fall later because they havent developed the guards against it or even havent 'got it out of their system' so to speak.


parents will do it anyways, so products that have child safety features are being developed

It's ridiculously hard to restrict all of the harmful content. And frankly, the big tech is less trustworthy by the minute.

I think by having adult devices parents will be more cautious and mindful of what they are granting to their kids.


LLMs could change all this - it's possible to quickly do pretty impressive analysis of the content of videos, games, and so forth.

I hope username checks out.

Leaving parenting duties to the overall average of the internet bound together by corporate scammers is not something I will ever do.


My only possible counterpoint in agreement is whataboutism. Companies make lots of devices designed for "negative" behavior.

Not an excuse but an explanation perhaps?


What bothers me the most is targeting children. I see why we need to make axes or chemicals. But these come with disclaimers and labels as well as common sense that they are harmful.

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Our kid has certainly not had access to tablets/phones the first years of her life and only rarely until she was 9 or 10 or so. We have also banned phones from the dinner table, etc. from the beginning.

Parenting takes time and focus. Putting 0-6 years olds behind a tablet screen is just absolving yourself from your responsibility as a parent. Some TV time can be ok after 3 years or so, but you have to time it strictly (so that it does not become a convenience) and exclude some types of cartoons [1].

[1] https://thesciencesurvey.com/editorial/2024/07/07/the-proble...


It's a such a shame that it's impossible to parent children without a screen in reality land.

What? My kids have never ever had a screen of their own. They sit still in restaurants and flights like well parented kids have for decades. Anyone who thinks screens are required for bringing up children is ignoring countless research projects which prove otherwise, and are actively hurting their childrens development.

Parenting is hard. I know it firsthand. I never said zero screen time.

I'm opposed to dedicated devices for children that expose them to the internet.

It's ridiculously hard to restrict all of the harmful content. And frankly, the big tech is less trustworthy by the minute.


Reality is nobody forced you to have kids.

If you cannot raise your kids properly, please dont have kids.


When has telling people to not have kids ever resulted in said people not having kids? It's a part of our instincts and biology and really really easy to do.

We have to deal with the fact a lot of people produce kids they do not want or regret having. That's reality.


Reality is that telling future bad parents not to have kids isn't going to stop them having kids, even if you say please

Enabling the avoidance of parenting incentivizes parents who would otherwise be parenting to also avoid parenting. I agree with OP, hard to see how this is a good thing.

Lol jail for creating tools to communicate. We have jumped the shark.

There's no downside really to ignoring the courts order.

Creator Edition doesn't imply engineering lol.

This is for people to create more doom scroll slop.


Same. "Writing Code" is dead. Reading code, understanding code, and knowing how to manage products and services is still very much alive.


400m now... after cost overruns 2billion.


$2 billion? I wish I were as optimistic as you.

The environmental consultants will drag this out for a decade if they can.


I wouldn't have believed you but it will take close to a decade to build under like half a mile of sidewalk near me with like actual construction time planned in weeks in contrast to the overall plan.

I don't think I would blame the environmental consultants though. This is just how we do things now.

The USD 2B path train stop at WTC became USD 4B+ and nobody went to prison for it. I don't think it should have even been USD 2B. All we needed was a path train stop.


*This is how we don’t do things. The whole process is optimized to ensure the least possible amount of things actually get done


You see in service economy most of the things done are services. Those are extremely profitable and low cost in materials. Actual real tangible things are entirely secondary. Preferably whole thing would be outsourced to some third-world country where it would be entirely build and maintained.


Services in a service economy aren’t expensive because they’re extremely profitable. They’re expensive because they have to pay for all the service-providers’ rent, which is a fractal source of ever-increasing costs.


We used to build subways by removing the entire road, building a steel structure, then covering the hole with a street surface (“cut and cover”)

Now that those neighborhoods are occupied by people who go on Hackernews and Bloomberg, they tend not to like having their streets converted into open pit mines, and so constructing subways is ungodly expensive.


Just need to dust off the finger protocol.



Oiy you people are boring. The US will remain a world power just due to its geographical position. It owns the Americas economically and militarily. This is something no other country in the world is close to capable of doing.


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