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We need to immediately improve on PIN-code protection upon cash-withdrawal in ATMs. The problem has been there for a while, but man, it gets easier and easier.


Or be (not, it would seem) overly paranoid like me, my PIN patterns and entering do not involve moving my fingers horizontally, I put my hand down on the pad with my fingers on set keys, cover it with my wallet, and type it in. I also always double one key to make it that much harder to get by observation, a trick I learned from a sysadmin with major access to my school's systems back when we all had to use public terminals a lot.


By keeping your fingers longer on the keys you're actually making it easier for the person after you to just take an IR shot of the keyboard and reduce their search space to 16 combinations or less.


This is designed to foil garden variety skimmers now and in the foreseeable future, not someone "after" me. Who's going to go to that much trouble when there are I presume many many more people entering their PINS in ways that are easily skimmed?


What does it mean to “double one key”?


Have the PIN or password repeat one key in the sequence. Like "mwfabrrpg", if you type quickly an observer won't notice that the 'r' was typed twice in quick sequence.


That's a great observation -- while it's not like ATMs were super secure to start with, now anyone who can mimic this sonar tech can put any device that just looks like it's supposed to be at the ATM near the pad, and pick up people's PINs


You don't even need the sonar, because the buttons are clicky and you should be able to triangulate the origin of the sound quite easily. Also, I guess this would work with just one microphone with simple pattern matching (I assume every click + echo patterns from the structure makes every button sound quite different). The microphone should listen vibrations in the structure (not air waves). The device could be quite far away from the keyboard if it's connected in the same structure and can hear the clicks.


Sorry, I'm not sure how this is relevant or if this sentence even makes sense. Can you explain?


I suppose he means that a small microphone/speaker setup near an ATM machine's keypad could allow you to track the position of the finger and get the corresponding keypresses without any intrusive modification to the ATM itself.

Of course that would only be valid if you proceed to then steal the person's card right afterward, so all in all, not that useful.


Isn't it easier to just put up a small camera? Then you can also record the card's number if you fail to steal it afterwards.


It would be easy to build a device that did something similar to this and captured pin codes on ATM machines.


Currently you can see everywhere ATMs are asking you to visually check that keypad and card-input looks exactly like on picture. With this technology, you don't need to make a fake keypad to "hear" PIN sequence, you could just "listen" to it from somewhere else, some place not seen well.


I guess he means that you can place a smartphone near an ATM and catch the PIN-code with this technology somehow.




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