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Police box: policing a walkable city (urbankchoze.blogspot.com)
27 points by oftenwrong on May 18, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 13 comments


Borderline. Police boxes have their downsides. The OP missed one important distinction between Japanese and North American police architecture: Guns. A japanese police officer may feel comfortable sitting at a fixed point, brightly lit, surrounded by darkness. A north american or even a UK officer will not... and probably should not. That's why those police buildings don't have big windows.

(Note the "best" example is actually Canadian, with a very different gun culture than the US. And the worst is in a rural part of the US where guns are the norm.)

Also, privacy. Japanese police do not interview people in the same manner or with the same regularity as north american police. North American police buildings need to be able to take people inside them without worry of someone snapping pictures from a car outside. They need a closed environment to interview suspects, witnesses, and any number of other people outside of public eye. That extends to police vehicles, which are regularly used to move people to places for interviews away from prying eyes. This is not as common in Japan.

Thirdly, density. North American policing involves a relatively few officers spread over a much greater area. Even our dense urban cores are more spread out than anything in Tokyo. Tying an officer to a fixed point severely limit's their area of operation. And an empty police box gives the impression of an absent force. North American deterrence relies on the concept that police 'might' be watching. Any clear indication that they are or aren't at a given time, whether or not the police box is empty, works against that deterrent.


Brisbane has them. Big open storefronts with open areas inside and a counter with a copper. Police there carry guns and the gun laws are much less restrictive than in the UK. They seemed pretty comfortable.


Why does all of that activity have to happen "away from prying eyes"?


Because not everyone wants the entire neighborhood to see that they are meeting with a police officer, especially if you are reporting a crime by someone still walking around that neighborhood. Nor do police want to embarrass people. So it is normal to interview someone in a private place, without windows.


On top of that, such activity can happen on upper floors or inside larger stations; these boxes don't take the place of larger centralized stations.


If I'm remembering correctly, an ex-Seattle police chief wrote in his book that vehicle-based policing is at least partly (if not more so) driven by "consumer" demand, i.e., people want a response to their calls now.

NYPD did something almost like this with:

http://fort-greene.thelocal.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/nypd-skyw...

But it received a negative response from several directions.


It was also a reaction to corruption amongst officers walking a fixed beat. Community policing is all well and good, under you realize that having only a handful of officers dedicated to a small area is a breading ground for corruption and cover-up. Using vehicles means that stations can be larger, more centralized/supervised, with officers rotated amongst different areas. But I doubt any former officer writing a book would have mentioned such things.


Why would localization have a big impact? In this day and age, if there's corruption to be contended with, it'll be with large monied interests that often span localities.

Honestly, the people being policed simply don't have input into oversight. That's the root cause of corruption.


If you read police/legal history, the issue is with the very very small beats. When there is only one officer assigned to a particular street, what do residents do when that officer is the problem? One early answer was to give them mechanical watches and regiment exactly when and where they were to stand during the beat. But that too led to problems as officers prioritized the schedule over actual policing. It's a very interesting history whereby the trust pendulum has swung back and forth many times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_%28police%29


Yeah. Once you have small groups of officers in the same area for a length of time you start getting pressure on local businesses to contribute to the "widows and orphans" fund.


I get that today via mailers. Once we accidentally committed to a donation (did not actually donate), now they are ceaseless in their fundraising efforts.


Japanese police also stand outside their police box or station with a big stick doing "ritsuban" i.e. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/20/reference/police... which is I suppose the opposite of a motorised patrol where you stand still and the community moves around you whilst you project "the police are watching you". This for me now makes sense of the same practice at airports where there is a guy on a platform with a big stick, just being there, a bit intimidating.


San Francisco tried building some koban in the 1980s. One was at 16th and Mission, and the other was on Post St. in Japantown.[1] There was one in Chinatown, and one at the Powell/Market St. cable car turntable. Seldom were there cops in them. They just were not much more useful than cops walking around.

Larger storefront police substations have a better track record, but they're not common. They're expensive to staff. But that's not the problem. Here's what Japan's police agency thinks of their own police box system:[2]

Good security conditions are a fundamental prerequisite for the system. Although police boxes are institutions designed to secure public safety, they can only be successful in areas that are already safe. For example, in an area where terrorist attacks frequently occur, police boxes could become easy targets. It is still necessary for officers to make a lot of effort in order to defend a police box against less serious crimes such as vandalism and other attacks. A small number of officers are deployed to a large number of places under the system. Therefore, the police box system can be successful under highly secure conditions such as what Japan has.

Japan’s good security conditions have been underpinned by the police box system, and also by non-police factors such as sea-bound geographical conditions, a highly homogeneous society, group conscious culture, economic and industrial development, and strict weapons ownership control. In other words, the police box system has been able to contribute to the safety of Japan because it already had favorable conditions for maintaining public security.

That's why it wouldn't work in the US.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/16/us/latest-japanese-import-... [2] https://www.npa.go.jp/english/seisaku1/JapaneseCommunityPoli...




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