white + male is still obviously the best build for life and it still needs more nerfs, but the devs are all playing white male and think the balance is fine
At Google, whites are underrepresented in engineering roles. In 2022, 36% of tech hires were white, about half their national population. Asians on the other hand, made up 55% of tech hires despite making up 6% of the population [1]. Why do an underrepresented group deserve a "nerf" while vastly overrepresented groups do not?
Certainly, there are demographics influences at play: higher Asian concentration in California, higher rates of graduation in tech fields. But all this DEI talk really makes one wonder if race-based hiring isn't at play here. It's really interesting how often people claim there's bias in hiring, but opposed anonymized hiring and other measures that eliminate the ability to discriminate between applicants.
Google isn't exactly hiring from the national population. They're hiring from a population of engineers, but they're not limited to the US national population of engineers, they also hire from abroad, sometimes directly, other times by hiring in overseas offices and then transferring.
I'll just casually mention here that in the last week or so someone on hn claimed very insistenly to me that they, as an asian man, were the primary "victim" of modern dei policies and that white people weren't harmed by them. And that this was why dei was bad and that I was engaging in white supremacy to suggest anything to the contrary.
You cannot both be correct in the reasons you dislike dei. They're contradictory. (You could both be wrong, but you can't both be right).
It's entirely possible for both to be right: different companies have different DEI policies. At Dropbox from 2015-2019 we had 4 diversity categories, from most to least desirable:
* Double diverse: Black or Latin + female
* diverse: white or Asian female, or Black or Latin male.
* standard: white male
* Negatively diverse: Asian male
So it definitely is the case that asian males are even more undesirable than white males at some companies. I can attest to that myself. But each company is different, some categorize Asians as diverse.
Great grandparent said nothing about "companies", but "life", so the fact that different companies may discriminate in different ways is irrelevant to their point, is it not?
The entire context of this thread is bias in employment at Google. If the parent comment wants to clarify what they're talking about, I'll let them do it rather than have other speak on their behalf.
Not where I live. If you're plain average and not in in-demand roles/fields, as a white male your options and opportunities are limited employment wise. That's what I've seen first-hand and in some cases experienced.
> I no longer have sympathy for DEI and other such initiatives because they will always be targeted against white people and males, no matter the state of equity/fairness in the world.
