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The problem with UBI is Jevons paradox[1].

Just to illustrate what the problem is using an extreme example: Oh good, we made it so anyone can turn the whole of the earth's crust into paperclips with a push of a button in a fully automated way that doesn't require any human labor and the energy to do it is completely sustainable. Hmm... Maybe that wasn't such a good idea.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox



I'm not understanding your objection. Would you be able to fill in some of the steps between "UBI" and "the entire earth's crust has been turned into paper clips"?


I'm guessing that they're imagining we'll give the productivity AI too much leeway, because it prints money so nobody has to work, until it goes unchecked and eventually starts making decisions contrary to typical human interests, because we based its reward function on profit instead of understanding what people really need/want to be happy.


Let's say that we have completely automated fishing boats. They can trap every fish in the sea. We give everyone UBI. They all decide to eat fish. No humans have to work or do anything to completely remove all fish from the sea. Is this a good idea? In previous eras we were constrained by the need for human labor to do all these things, but now AI does it, so we can have as much of it as we want until the natural resources run out. This creates problems with sustainability however, so how is that controlled?


This is a problem we already have to deal with: people got rich enough that they could afford to pay people to overfish the oceans, and we responded by limiting how much people are allowed to fish.

That is, I don't think UBI adds a new problem beyond "how do we make sure that humanity properly accounts for externalities" and "how do we make sure that AI does what we want it to do".


I was using fish to make an obvious example. The answer is regulation, but there are so many things like fish in the world. Do we have to have a regulation for every single one? It seems like it will end with whack-a-mole micromanagement of everything. It almost seems like we'll get communism eventually out of it. Except there is no all labor is of equal value, because there's no labor. I wish there was some alternative.


I'm sorry, I just still don't see the path by which UBI leads to a dramatic increase and how much regulation we need? Would you be able to give an example that is specific to UBI, and that describes a problem we wouldn't have without it?


Economists are still divided on the subject. So far localized experiments in UBI have not caused localized inflation, but it's hard to tell since it's small scale.

I'm not so sure it would actually happen though. We already give support to a lot of poor people through various programs like EBT and Medicaid. This just converts that help to cash, which gives people more freedom on what they want to spend on.


The problem with UBI experiments is that it hasn’t been U. If it’s localized and small scale it’s obviously not Universal, which makes it hard to draw conclusions.


It's also rarely B, either; I don't know of very many (if any) such experiments where the income was sufficient to live on.




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