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Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199.

Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...



I'm afriad you are going to need to get used to it.

The £ is depreciating against the dollar, and wages in the UK have been stagant for 10+ years and are set to remain stagant for another 10 based upon current forecasting.

Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics within a generation, which is both a credit to the growth of those countries and the enmourous decline of the UK relative to places like Germany, France, and the US.

Imports are going to just keep getting more and more expensive.


>Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics

I'll believe that when I see it

>the enmourous decline of the UK relative to places like Germany, France

The UK, Germany and France are declining in lockstep, actually. In different ways but all declining

>the US

Yes this is the killer.


> I'll believe that when I see it

You're seeing it right now, if you actually look.

"UK economy could be comparable to “Slovakia” in 10 years - says economist Duncan Weldon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5g_S9BBtqw

> The UK, Germany and France are declining in lockstep,

Nope.

https://youtu.be/R5g_S9BBtqw?t=155

"Britain is unique among the G7 countries in that GDP per head is still below that when the pandemic hit."

Notice the "unique" bit.


>says economist Duncan Weldon

Forgive me but I disregard the predictions made by economists, a class of people who bear no consequences for their predictions.

You may be correct but this proves nothing.


Genuinely curious: why/how are these countries declining in your view?


brexit was - from an economic suprarational viewpoint - obviously a non-forced error. the resentment that eventually got channeled into this populist surge is very real and stems from the same deepening inequality that plagues the US and other globalizing economies.

people scraping by outside London see the decades going by and their lot not improving, and eventually the busy beavers crafting messages found the right ones ("the UK is paying so and so much pounds every day to the EU instead of funding the NHS more")

this solved nothing, people scraping by still have low economic productivity. infrastructure development outside London is late by decades (because every time there was a cost increase it slowed down basically, and there were a lot of cost increases - every recession, interest rate cut, Baumol effect, etc meant costs going up)

similarly development inside big cities is stunted because of cost increases.

because a lot of globalization made local services relatively more expensive (this is the Baumol effect basically) and all the affected areas are very labor heavy: NHS (healthcare), education, construction.

then all this recently culminated in idiots getting elected (Boris Johnson, etc) who then made things worse by not doing anything.

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/why-the-uk-is-having-an-ec... - in this paywalled post Noah argues that the UK is going through a mild version of the emerging economy crisis (like Sri Lanka), because its import dependent, trade deficit, capital flight, pegged currency (basically for price stability the Bank of England has to), and lots of borrowing in foreign currency (USD, EUR), and accelerating inflation


Totally agree regarding the UK, I was mostly trying to understand where the belief in the "lockstep decline" of the other countries (Germany, France, ...) comes from.


You’re not wrong. Fun times :(


Specifically, as a Chinese product, the ratio of UK economy vs Chinese economy is relevant.


Apple products are produced in Chinese Special Economic Zones (SEZs), so they have to be technically imported into China if they are sold there, and are produced with machines and labor paid for in dollars.


The pound has gone to shit and the UK price includes VAT. Take away VAT and use current exchange rates and you are paying a $200 premium in the UK, so 10% above US price is actually a smaller difference than it has been in the recent past when the pound was $1.5 but the only difference between the two price lists was changing a $ for a £.


They hedge in where they think the currency is going too, as they appear to avoid changing a price between releases.

So it's USD * exchange rate * VAT + pessimism.


I'm sure part of that is the pound tanking against the dollar!


Yeah likely but the thing is that Apple prices never go down even if the exchange rate becomes favourable.


This is false. Apple adjusted price for products when exchange rates changed. They don’t do it daily, usually it happens at product releases like today.


I can't think of a single currency that has been strengthening against the dollar in the last fifteen years.


CHF


We did not get cheaper Apple devices, no worries. 8% VAT helps a bit though.


Oh I'm well aware!


Do yourself a favor and find a way to test that Intel laptop before you switch. I have to use one for work and the performance penalty is massive.

Fans blasting, laggy, hot, three hour battery life. Its a substantial step backwards


Yeah I have a rather large and horrible stacked Dell 7670 here. I mostly use my MBP as a desktop machine though.


I do get sticker shock at the prices, but I have to say I still use my 2015 MBP for dev work and it's been serving me well. That's quite the longevity... I'd hope if I got an M2 (thinking about upgrading in a year or two), that it lasts a similar duration. ~8 years, I wouldn't mind shelling out that price, especially since it pays me back so quickly (some consulting work).

Have to check to see how reliable those thinkpads are but I also just enjoyed the physical experience of a Mac (know it's not for everyone and subjective)


Concur re: longevity: my 2012 MacBook Pro still runs perfectly. 11 years!


I used a 2013 MBP for work, and when work upgraded me to a 2019 MBP I kept the 2013 for myself.

Since then, the 2019 macbook has been having tons of problems, crashing, thermal issues, software issues, keyboard issues. But the 2013 has been working like a dream. My coworkers have many similar experiences.

Mid-2010s was definitely a peak for macbooks. Hopefully M1s/M2s will be another peak.


2019 MBPs unfortunately weren't great. I had horrible battery life issues after years of heavy use and got my work to replace it with a M1 max 16". Night and day difference, a huge huge step up. The thermal issues on the 2019 models were really ridiculous.


I run Turbo Boost Pro Switcher to help with the heat and disable it when I actually need the performance. It was crazy to hear the fan on this laptop-shaped room heater just go on and on while I was just working on code.


I think after 2015 they were crap until the M1s which seem to be quite good so far


I ran thinkpads for years. There is a nice market for previous generation ones new in box with 3 year next business day warranties for stupid money. I got my daughter a 13 month old T495s for £600 for example. That’s still under warranty now.

But yeah I’ll bitch and moan and just give apple the money like I always do now n


A new Thinkpad x1 with an i7, 16gb ram and 1tb ssd is at £2400. And you cant get more than 16gb of ram. imho the MacBook Pro is not unreasonable expensive.


I can get an i7 T14 gen 3 with 16GB RAM and stick a new SSD and another 16Gb RAM in it for < £1500


While the value of the £ has rebounded somewhat since a low in September, it is still much below what it was just a couple of years ago. Apple is basing it’s prices in USD and that has hit the £ and the Euro over the last six months or so.

http://www.exchangerate.com/charts.html?continent=currency%2...


Difference in EUR is also pretty crazy. My 16" M1 Max was about EUR 1000 cheaper than a similarly specced M2 Max, about a 28% increase.


Yeah, I get that it’s a reflection of the state of things but it doesn’t make it any less disheartening. I just expect every new generation of their products to come with a £100-400 price jump now.

Or, in the case of the iPads last time round, a price jump for the exact same product.




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