No, they make engineering mistakes while trying new things. We call companies stagnant when they don’t try, and we forgive them for trying if they are not Apple. But everyone loves to hate Apple.

I’m currently using a 2014 MacBook Pro and a 2020 M1 MacBook Air. I have also seen and supported a lot of intermediate machines at work. We don’t service them unless somebody spills something liquid on their keyboards.

So, while I owned a few of these things, I have seen and supported way more machines, and my judgement stands based on this experience.

So we've walked it back from "not sacrificing longevity over flashy technologies" to "mistakes while trying new things".

Longevity is a mistake? New things aren't flashy technologies?

> "we forgive them for trying if they are not Apple"

Believe it or not, every so often Google hardware get criticized! MotionSense was...a mistake made while trying new things.

> So we've walked it back from...

No. Let's not move the goalposts. Those are two different things. One is not incorporating not mature technologies into the product, the other is trying to push a known technology further. They tried and failed for 4 years, and gave up.

If OLED was already a mature technology for large HiDPI panels and TVs, people wouldn't have been doing panel endurance tests, and TV manufacturers wouldn't hide panel-life sucking balance and recalibration features into their products.

I have used a couple of Macs with butterfly switch keyboards. The problem was not the switch idea itself, but how the key depth has been reduced to make it thinner. They have gone beyond the comfortable depth for speed typing and made a mistake. Also, the minuscule tolerances made it susceptible to jamming due to dirt I didn't like the keyboards with butterfly switches, to be honest. The depth and weight in 2020 MacBook Air (M1) is much, much better.

Yes. We criticize every company, but I think everything should be balanced. I'm not a fanboy of any company. There are ones which I enjoy using, and ones I don't prefer to use. The gist is, I try to objectively reflect my opinion on my comments, and I get replies in the tone of "my experience does not match to yours, so you're most probably lying", I'm genuinely disappointed. Because I never think the other party is not telling the truth. I'm just pointing out and saying "I'm in that state, so it's possible". But I never discount others' state and/or experience.

> "we forgive them for trying if they are not Apple"

> "We criticize every company"

Oh, we walked that one back too

You are the kind who loves being pedantic to win arguments, don’t you?

The first we and second we is different. You are pulling these sentences out of context, again.

First we is a group which criticizes nothing but Apple. Second we is another group which try to be objective.

You can leave personal attacks out of it (it only weakens your position)

> The first we and second we is different [sic]

Nope, objective critics criticize Apple and other companies when they make terrible decisions. Apple's vendor lock-in means that people that use a lot of Apple products are typically defensive and will make excuses for them. Google fans do the same. I'm typing this on an Apple product...

Butterfly keyboards and MotionSense both worked poorly.

I have used these two "we"s in different contexts. Let's not move the goalposts, again.

As far as I remember, I also criticized butterfly keyboard switches up there. I'm also not afraid to criticize the tools I like a lot, too. I have also praised and criticized IBM, Lenovo, HP, Apple and numerous devices at other places.

I have never experienced MotionSense, so I can't talk about that.

Sent from my MacBook Air.

“Torture” here is the wear and tear that a user inflicts on a device over years of use.