Probably CrOS team doesn't have enough manpower to implement necessary local ML infrastructure and want to borrow Android's. Or at least they're using this as an excuse for paying off long standing organizational tech debts.

Probably more of an internal mandate that everything needs to consider how it can integrate/improve on AI so they included some lip service in case a VP reads this.

Wrote a comment a week or two ago on this you might be interested in: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40580163

TL;DR: Google is consolidating behind the whims of the hardware org, which are orthogonal to OS' that can't ship (what ppl outside Google call Fuschsia), and here, OS' that can't sell premium 1st party hardware. The old platform org head left recently, combine that with the CEO's eagerness to display Efficiency™ and the lack of interest the CEO has in practical work, that means VP shuffle people around to keep constant/shrinking headcount and the CEO loves it.

Fuchsia has already shipped. It's also called Fuchsia internally.

Let's not be obtuse -- if you're familiar with internal info on this, you should/could understand exactly what I'm talking about. If you're just trying to do a drive-by dunk about spelling, and just thought it was cute to add on "internal" while doing so...more power to you, I guess.

Considering how you mangled the name of the OS, I have a hard believing you're remotely familiar with the internals of Fuchsia.

Yes, there's an extra S in Fuchsia so I'm 3 trolls in a trench coat pretending to be me.

I hope your day gets better! However you're feeling, it's temporary, it's not worth trolling and doing a know-nothing thing in public, it's too demeaning to yourself.

People can see my comment, profile, and site, and then see you're completely anonymous.

Then they're left with either: A) you're so hung up on an extra S you're lying on purpose B) you're a vindictive liar: you don't care enough to find out who I am, even though it's right in my profile, but you do care enough to pretend it's unknowable or C) youre having some sort of psychotic break from reality

You seem to be very troubled to resort to such childish attacks because my opinion differs from yours. You've presented no evidence that you have any internal knowledge of Fuchsia.

Okay so you're still refusing to acknowledge who it is? Great talk, thanks for your thoughtful contributions. Btw, you haven't expressed any opinion here other than "THERES AN EXTRA S" and some weird insistence you can't figure out who OP is. idk what conversation you're inventing in your head, but it really is embarrassing, especially when they clearly had the scoop on the news by a couple weeks. Nobody can take you seriously here, it's obvious trolling

Why are you using an alternate alias to reply to me? Did you get confused and mix up your aliases? I just have one.

Because HN caps posts, and I wasn't going to let you off with a post 24 hours later with more lazy trolling.

Both of my Nest devices that got the update were bricked into an unrecoverable state. Forums and Reddit are full of similar stories. "Shipped" is a very generous label.

I don't know anyone outside the Fuchsia team that takes it seriously.

They're a troll with an extreme sense of grievance and unclear motivations. Perhaps this whole extra-S thing is actually it, but I hope not, for their sake.

Now you're attacking me in replies you're not even part of? You should seek mental health help as you don't seem like a very well person.

Both of my Nest Hub devices got the seamless update without any issues.

It's amazing what a FAANG with tens of thousands of software developers cannot achieve.

That is the reason they cannot achieve it. Territorial claims and wars. Group and team efforts. leadership buy in. the more money those guys are paid, the less team works they produce.

More so Android and ChromeOS both use Linux as the kernel. They actually have a lot in common in terms of tech stack.

They use two completely different libc though, which are binary incompatible (bionic and glibc).

How many web apps running on CrOS care what libc the system is using?

A while back they were privately demoing ChromeOS alongside android on phones to enable a better desktop experience. They're also enabling display port on the new Pixel. My guess is they are making ChromeOS more like Android to make that process easier.

As I wrote above,

A big advantage of Android is the implementation of intents (also compared to Apples new crippled intents API), which may turn out to become the deciding factor in the race towards the winning AI Agent OS, as it may enable AI to use programs programmatically

> To continue rolling out new Google AI features to users at a faster and even larger scale, we’ll be embracing portions of the Android stack

Because they are panicking and need to add AI faster than Apple and Microsoft across their whole portfolio.

Fuchsia is still under development? I haven't heard anything from it in forever, and it's been going for a long time now.

It looks like it is, see multiple commits today: https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/

As building an OS is no simple task, this all could mean nothing and the project might be heading to the graveyard slowly.

I noticed the same, too, it was hyped as the next OS now about a decade ago, and it doesn't look like it will be a significant player any time soon. I assume it's still in the evaluation, prototype phase, probably tons of issues.

I heard here and there that some exotic glorified home tablet thingy is running it, but I don't think you can really go to a local consumer electronics store and find something with Fuchsia running on it.

There are multiple devices that have shipped with Fuchsia on it in the home ecosystem over the last 5 years.

I don't necessarily think it's going to be a major success, but it's already been more successful than this implies.

(Bias, was on the Fuchsia team many moons ago)

It might be your bias, or even mine, but in my opinion, what you and I are saying are pretty much the same...

There is not much actual difference between "I heard here and there that some exotic glorified home tablet thingy is running it" and "There are multiple devices that have shipped with Fuchsia on it in the home ecosystem over the last 5 years".

Would love to hear where it was actually used, searching for it, I really only found a handful of examples.

I was an active Flutter community member and it was driving me crazy how people would say "Flutter is great because Fuchsia also uses Flutter", and all I thought "show me one person who is using Fuchsia at this whole conference / meetup".

You can go to a normal store and buy a device using fuchsia today, it's just not advertising that is the OS under the hood. That is why I do not think what you said is the same thing.

Got it, fair enough, then maybe fuchsia is just hiding well (or it could also be me not knowing things)

They updated their Google nest smart display to fuchsia a couple of years ago. I can't find the write up at the moment, but it was quite the engineering feat and the software engineers were quite nervous the day of OTA.

I understand why people feel this way given the lack of public communication, but I'd like to put it out there that this isn't true.

If you build a nice enough tank, the fish never know the difference.

I thought Fuchsia was the one that got hit with the larger cuts?

While true it wasn't as large as folks seem to imply.