> You know tons of language already compile and run on the JVM, right?
Yes. So?
> And you know the JVM ran in the browser almost 20 years ago,
And it did such a good job that everyone has been prefering java applets to html/js/flash for those 20 years.
Oh, actually, they didn't. In fact, with few exceptions, they have been rejected by users for most of those 20 years. The implementation was horrible. I don't know if it's better today - maybe it is for some Windows browsers. But no browser on my Mac or Linux supports it without an external install -- and last time I actually used it (~2 years ago), it still took forever to start applets.
It might have worked if the execution was acceptable; it's not impossible - flash had reasonable execution which lead to widespread adoption that is still nontrivial despite a big part of the web - that of mobile - made it unusable. And yet, 18 years later (I'm up-to-date as of 2 years ago), Java applets are still a mess.
So, the bottom line is: who cares the JVM ran in the browser?
The applet user experience is horrible, you're right. It's pathetic that this hasn't been fixed.
Instead, we're developing apps on a platform intended for delivering documents, and targeting code to a "bytecode" (asm.js) built on a half-baked language originally intended for doing form validation, pop-up ads, and animating dancing bears.
Java and the JVM form a 3/4 baked language environment originally designed to run on washing machines, freezers and TV-top sets - that after 20 years can't even get applets and GUI properly.
See how easy it is?
Yes, I completely dislike JavaScript. I also completely dislike Java. But both are here to stay, regardless of their (lack of) merits compared to some ideals. Java missed the browser bus because it was horrible, and JavaScript drives the bus now because it was there.
Hah. I totally agree. I personally dislike both Java and Javascript, also. Javascript was born brain damaged. Java had a chance, but it jumped the shark sometime in the early 2000's when J2EE took off.
Yes. So?
> And you know the JVM ran in the browser almost 20 years ago,
And it did such a good job that everyone has been prefering java applets to html/js/flash for those 20 years.
Oh, actually, they didn't. In fact, with few exceptions, they have been rejected by users for most of those 20 years. The implementation was horrible. I don't know if it's better today - maybe it is for some Windows browsers. But no browser on my Mac or Linux supports it without an external install -- and last time I actually used it (~2 years ago), it still took forever to start applets.
It might have worked if the execution was acceptable; it's not impossible - flash had reasonable execution which lead to widespread adoption that is still nontrivial despite a big part of the web - that of mobile - made it unusable. And yet, 18 years later (I'm up-to-date as of 2 years ago), Java applets are still a mess.
So, the bottom line is: who cares the JVM ran in the browser?